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Smallville: 1st Glimpse of the Legion
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Rob Jensen
2008-11-21 08:00:08 UTC
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If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."

I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.

-- Rob

PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
Mojo
2008-11-21 10:49:38 UTC
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Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/20/long-live-smallvilles-legion/

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/21/index.htm
Len-L
2008-11-21 15:31:54 UTC
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Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
Doomsday wasn't big enough. He's supposed to be seven or eight feet
tall. I know, hard to do for TV, but still....
Len-L
Rob Jensen
2008-11-21 17:49:45 UTC
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Post by Len-L
Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
Doomsday wasn't big enough. He's supposed to be seven or eight feet
tall. I know, hard to do for TV, but still....
Well, we haven't seen Doomsday often enough yet to know if what we've
seen is his full size or if he's still in the process of growing.
Probably with every kill if that's the case, I suppose.

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
Billy Bissette
2008-11-22 22:56:24 UTC
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Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
It looks like Smallville's Clark will always be a dick, whiner and
do-nothing.

It was pretty bad when the writing tried so hard to sell removing
Chloe's memories against her will as a good thing, by having her say
that she felt like some unknown weight had been lifted from her
shoulders.

Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?

And all the harping on how she'd be safer not knowing, because
everyone that knew about him had bad things happen to them? Yeah,
that line of logic certainly worked when she ended up in danger
again in the very next episode. Did Clark (or the writers) even
look at the history when they came up with that idea? Bad things
happened to Lana for years before she ever knew Clark's secret. Same
with Chloe. Bad things happened to *everyone* on the show, regardless
of what they knew about Clark. (The whole idea of not telling them
being a good thing for them was a ludicrous as it was in the episode
where Clark time-traveled to prevent Lana from learning his secret,
because otherwise she'd be killed by Lex.)


As for Doomsday, meh. He looked better in the commercials, which
only showed the CG close-up of his face. When they went to the
rubber suit, he looked like a monster in a cheesy Japanese TV show.
And for a guy who's been viciously killing people off-screen all
season, his full power arrival was hardly a "doomsday" event either.
Delivering what on-screen looked like grazing scrapes to a guy's
chest before indulging in some petty kidnapping?
David Johnston
2008-11-22 23:06:57 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:56:24 -0600, Billy Bissette
Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
It looks like Smallville's Clark will always be a dick, whiner and
do-nothing.
It was pretty bad when the writing tried so hard to sell removing
Chloe's memories against her will as a good thing, by having her say
that she felt like some unknown weight had been lifted from her
shoulders.
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)?
He doesn't think he's up to dealing with it either.
Fallen
2008-11-23 10:20:44 UTC
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Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
It looks like Smallville's Clark will always be a dick, whiner and
do-nothing.
It was pretty bad when the writing tried so hard to sell removing
Chloe's memories against her will as a good thing, by having her say
that she felt like some unknown weight had been lifted from her
shoulders.
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a guy
on PCP is a superhuman.

And Green Arrow was talking about himself too. He's mentioned numerous
times how uncomfortable he is with that side of Clark's life and it's a
constant theme in his stories that he's self doubting and other such
angsty crap.

Fallen.
Billy Bissette
2008-11-23 19:34:39 UTC
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Post by Billy Bissette
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a
guy on PCP is a superhuman.
She was meteor-infected first. She nearly killed herself with
that one saving people.

She lost that ability, but became infected by Brainiac. That made
her into a living computer, which again counts as super-powered.
She used it like a super-power as well.

It wasn't until after Green Arrow's speech that she had a mental
blowout, with Brainiac locking away all her memories. (Brainiac
didn't really delete or overwrite her memories or anything, he
just "corrupted" them in some recoverable fashion. Presumably in
a convoluted plan to get Clark to rebuild the Fortress so that
Jor-El could save Chloe, thus giving Brainiac a chance to ooze into
the Fortress' system and take control, and thus having the Fortress
ready for Doomsday's arrival.
Post by Fallen
And Green Arrow was talking about himself too. He's mentioned numerous
times how uncomfortable he is with that side of Clark's life and it's
a constant theme in his stories that he's self doubting and other such
angsty crap.
It sure didn't stop him from being Green Arrow.

Oh, wait. It *did* stop him from being Green Arrow. Right up
until Clark talked him back into the job. One one-time adrenaline
rush later and Green Arrow is back all gung-ho about it.
Fallen
2008-11-23 23:23:21 UTC
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Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a
guy on PCP is a superhuman.
She was meteor-infected first. She nearly killed herself with
that one saving people.
She lost that ability, but became infected by Brainiac. That made
her into a living computer, which again counts as super-powered.
She used it like a super-power as well.
She did but it was a side effect of an infection by an actual
superpowered individual. Just because up until a certain point it only
really had beneficial effects doesn't negate GA's point about her being
'just human' as both he and Clark were actively against her infection
and trying to cure it.

Fallen.
Billy Bissette
2008-11-24 19:00:51 UTC
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Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a
guy on PCP is a superhuman.
She was meteor-infected first. She nearly killed herself with
that one saving people.
She lost that ability, but became infected by Brainiac. That made
her into a living computer, which again counts as super-powered.
She used it like a super-power as well.
She did but it was a side effect of an infection by an actual
superpowered individual. Just because up until a certain point it only
really had beneficial effects doesn't negate GA's point about her being
'just human' as both he and Clark were actively against her infection
and trying to cure it.
She was actively for keeping the infection and using it.

Clark also didn't want her using her meteor power healing ability.
Fallen
2008-11-24 21:12:48 UTC
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Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a
guy on PCP is a superhuman.
She was meteor-infected first. She nearly killed herself with
that one saving people.
She lost that ability, but became infected by Brainiac. That made
her into a living computer, which again counts as super-powered.
She used it like a super-power as well.
She did but it was a side effect of an infection by an actual
superpowered individual. Just because up until a certain point it only
really had beneficial effects doesn't negate GA's point about her
being
Post by Fallen
'just human' as both he and Clark were actively against her infection
and trying to cure it.
She was actively for keeping the infection and using it.
And she was being stupid and was proven wrong.
Post by Billy Bissette
Clark also didn't want her using her meteor power healing ability.
To be fair again this was because when she did use it it almost killed her.

Fallen.
Billy Bissette
2008-11-25 01:57:02 UTC
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Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a
guy on PCP is a superhuman.
She was meteor-infected first. She nearly killed herself with
that one saving people.
She lost that ability, but became infected by Brainiac. That made
her into a living computer, which again counts as super-powered.
She used it like a super-power as well.
She did but it was a side effect of an infection by an actual
superpowered individual. Just because up until a certain point it
only really had beneficial effects doesn't negate GA's point about
her
being
Post by Fallen
'just human' as both he and Clark were actively against her infection
and trying to cure it.
She was actively for keeping the infection and using it.
And she was being stupid and was proven wrong.
Only after Green Arrow's speech.

And she could have just as easily have been proven right. It all
depended upon the writers. If the writers had wanted, she could
have just as easily have become a human computer, gaining
Brainiac's abilities while retaining herself. There have certainly
been superheroes in the past who gained abilities through bad
events.

Heck, she could have kept the danger to her life aspect. The
difference between "victim" and "tragic hero" also depends upon
the writers.
Fallen
2008-11-25 17:30:26 UTC
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Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Fallen
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one, she was a
regular human infected by something else. You might as well claim a
guy on PCP is a superhuman.
She was meteor-infected first. She nearly killed herself with
that one saving people.
She lost that ability, but became infected by Brainiac. That made
her into a living computer, which again counts as super-powered.
She used it like a super-power as well.
She did but it was a side effect of an infection by an actual
superpowered individual. Just because up until a certain point it
only really had beneficial effects doesn't negate GA's point about
her
being
Post by Fallen
'just human' as both he and Clark were actively against her infection
and trying to cure it.
She was actively for keeping the infection and using it.
And she was being stupid and was proven wrong.
Only after Green Arrow's speech.
And she could have just as easily have been proven right. It all
depended upon the writers. If the writers had wanted, she could
have just as easily have become a human computer, gaining
Brainiac's abilities while retaining herself. There have certainly
been superheroes in the past who gained abilities through bad
events.
It wasn't exactly just writer's fiat though. In story she was infected
by an alien AI who wanted to kill her best friend and half the planet
for a laugh or whatever it was Brainiac wanted.
She was treating it like someone had just giver her a shot of brain
steroids. She was being an idiot.

Fallen.

David Johnston
2008-11-23 21:32:17 UTC
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Post by Fallen
Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
It looks like Smallville's Clark will always be a dick, whiner and
do-nothing.
It was pretty bad when the writing tried so hard to sell removing
Chloe's memories against her will as a good thing, by having her say
that she felt like some unknown weight had been lifted from her
shoulders.
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one,
Chloe most certainly was superhuman. She had kryptonite powers.
Fallen
2008-11-23 23:21:00 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
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Post by Billy Bissette
Post by Rob Jensen
If you blinked during the end credits of Smallville tonight, when they
previewed what would be coming up when the show comes back in January,
you would have missed about a second and a half of Imra, Garth and
Rokk. Juuuuust after the caption that read "New Heroes."
I suppose somebody will have a screencap up in no time.
-- Rob
PS: Doomsday actually looked cool. And Clark's still a dick for
having violated Chloe's mind in the previous episode.
It looks like Smallville's Clark will always be a dick, whiner and
do-nothing.
It was pretty bad when the writing tried so hard to sell removing
Chloe's memories against her will as a good thing, by having her say
that she felt like some unknown weight had been lifted from her
shoulders.
Mind, it was bad writing when Green Arrow tried to talk Clark into
excluding Chloe from the superhero club. That whole speech about
regular humans not being up to the challenge of the world of
superheroes? Delivered by a regular human (Green Arrow)? In
reference to a bonified superhuman (Chloe)? And said superhuman had
only recently knocked said regular human across the room?
Chloe wasn't superhuman at all never mind a bonified one,
Chloe most certainly was superhuman. She had kryptonite powers.
'had' being the operative word.

Fallen.
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