So is Legion better now that Waid and Kitson are gone?

[Kenneth M. Lin]

I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

[Dan McEwen]

Post by Kenneth M. Lin
I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

I'm not sure it's better but the art for the next creative team sure
looks nice. Note that this is the same Legion we're currently seeing
and that the book is continuing. Maybe DC will have two versions of the
Legion going on at once, but I doubt it.

[Nick Eden]

Post by Dan McEwen

Post by Kenneth M. Lin
I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

I'm not sure it's better but the art for the next creative team sure
looks nice. Note that this is the same Legion we're currently seeing
and that the book is continuing. Maybe DC will have two versions of the
Legion going on at once, but I doubt it.

Well the art in the last issue was atrocious, roll on the next reboot.

[Dan McEwen]

Post by Nick Eden

Post by Dan McEwen

Post by Kenneth M. Lin
I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

I'm not sure it's better but the art for the next creative team sure
looks nice. Note that this is the same Legion we're currently seeing
and that the book is continuing. Maybe DC will have two versions of
the Legion going on at once, but I doubt it.

Well the art in the last issue was atrocious, roll on the next reboot.

You've haven't seen the previews for the incoming creative team. They
have mostly new costumes and a great new artist. There is no doubt it's
the same Legion that is currently featured in Supergirl and the Legion
of Super-Heroes.

[Rob Jensen]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:44:07 GMT, "Kenneth M. Lin"

Post by Kenneth M. Lin
I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

Well, five months after this OP was written and two issues into the
new run, IMO, it's now appropriate to say,

"Hell, yeah!"

But to be honest, Waid and Kitson set the bar low to begin with. It's
no wonder Kitson moved over to Marvel. At least The Order was
readable. Between their Legion and this first Flash Family arc, I'm
left wondering, "WTF happened to Mark Waid?"

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.

[Kenneth M. Lin]

Post by Rob Jensen
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:44:07 GMT, "Kenneth M. Lin"

Post by Kenneth M. Lin
I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

Well, five months after this OP was written and two issues into the
new run, IMO, it's now appropriate to say,
"Hell, yeah!"
But to be honest, Waid and Kitson set the bar low to begin with. It's
no wonder Kitson moved over to Marvel. At least The Order was
readable. Between their Legion and this first Flash Family arc, I'm
left wondering, "WTF happened to Mark Waid?"
-- Rob

In defense of Kitson, DC stuck him with a very bad inker in LOSH. I saw his
first issue of The Order inked by Mark Morales (one of the top inker in
Marvel) and it looked infinitely better.

[Rob Jensen]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:26:38 GMT, "Kenneth M. Lin"

Post by Kenneth M. Lin

Post by Rob Jensen
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:44:07 GMT, "Kenneth M. Lin"

Post by Kenneth M. Lin
I think they were alluding to a relaunch at WW Chicago.

Well, five months after this OP was written and two issues into the
new run, IMO, it's now appropriate to say,
"Hell, yeah!"
But to be honest, Waid and Kitson set the bar low to begin with. It's
no wonder Kitson moved over to Marvel. At least The Order was
readable. Between their Legion and this first Flash Family arc, I'm
left wondering, "WTF happened to Mark Waid?"
-- Rob

In defense of Kitson, DC stuck him with a very bad inker in LOSH. I saw his
first issue of The Order inked by Mark Morales (one of the top inker in
Marvel) and it looked infinitely better.

The inking's not the problem. Kitson's costume design "work" on LOSH
was atrocious even for him. Also, Waid and Kitson developed this
iteration of Legion together-ish, so I hold Kitson responsible on the
writer-side, too.

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.

[v***@gmail.com]

I like Manapul's art ALOT better and I agree with the notion that the
redesigns by kitson were sad loss of an opportunity.

but story wise... I know it's a new writer but could they at least
WRITE their way around the few obstacles the previous writer left that
get in the way of whatever crappy plot in their head?! instead of
just pretending things never happened? I'm not talking about the
reboots, i'm just talking about Waid having a couple plates in the air
and Shooter maybe setting those plates on the ground instead of
letting them crash and ignoring them.

Example: Invisible Kid's portrayal is really... confusing. So he was
hella gay according to the DC encyclopedia. But... does that really
mean anything when, right before you show anything actually, obviously
gay, you hit the reset button? Anyways...

Ok, fine, he's reset. Then suddenly he had some creepy obsession with
Supergirl. Waid SHOWED it to us but then... nothing came of that. And
now in issue 37 he randomly gets the hots for background alien girl
number 3? He literally has not had one conversation with this
snowboarder alien girl, he just weirdly gets choked up when he thinks
she's dead. That's... crappy writing to me. Ok, fine, make him
straight, but at least make some sort of sense when you do it.

I think Legion's big problem is Too-Many-Characters-Itis, where they
spread themselves too thin trying to get characters in that you don't
care about, all the while trying to stuff more and more characters
into it. 38 just vomited a handful of new characters and all I was
thinking was "How much do I not care about these guys. I will NEVER
care about these guys and eve if I did, I'd be more annoyed that they
will get, at most, three panels of time."

-vv

[Dan McEwen]

Post by v***@gmail.com
I think Legion's big problem is Too-Many-Characters-Itis, where they
spread themselves too thin trying to get characters in that you don't
care about, all the while trying to stuff more and more characters
into it. 38 just vomited a handful of new characters and all I was
thinking was "How much do I not care about these guys. I will NEVER
care about these guys and eve if I did, I'd be more annoyed that they
will get, at most, three panels of time."

Paul Levitz, amongst others, had absolutely no problem juggling numerous
characters. The problem is the ability of any given writer to deal with
them. It can be done, though the best scenario would be to focus on a
few at a time. But before you blast the number of characters in the
book, you should take a close look at the title: LEGION of
Super-Heroes.

[v***@gmail.com]

Post by Dan McEwen

Post by v***@gmail.com
I think Legion's big problem is Too-Many-Characters-Itis, where they
spread themselves too thin trying to get characters in that you don't
care about, all the while trying to stuff more and more characters
into it. 38 just vomited a handful of new characters and all I was
thinking was "How much do I not care about these guys. I will NEVER
care about these guys and eve if I did, I'd be more annoyed that they
will get, at most, three panels of time."

Paul Levitz, amongst others, had absolutely no problem juggling numerous
characters. The problem is the ability of any given writer to deal with
them. It can be done, though the best scenario would be to focus on a
few at a time. But before you blast the number of characters in the
book, you should take a close look at the title: LEGION of
Super-Heroes.

I'm quite aware of the title. I just don't think the monthly 22 page
format works for this many characters. I'm not familiar with Levitz'
run, he might have been great, but last time I checked he's not
writing the book so your point is kind of moot. There's a reason that
the MAJORITY of comics have fewer main characters. The trade format
might be better suited to it and I think the trades they've put out
are much easier to read and follow than the singles,and I think a
culling is definitely in order. Seriously, how important is Bob with
the power of making origami cranes? Legion: Lost was a pretty
enjoyable read, and I think a big part of that was the brevity of the
cast involved. you can actually care about the characters because
you're actually having time devoted to each character.

[Dan McEwen]

Post by v***@gmail.com
I'm quite aware of the title. I just don't think the monthly 22 page
format works for this many characters. I'm not familiar with Levitz'
run, he might have been great, but last time I checked he's not
writing the book so your point is kind of moot.

Paul Levitz probably wrote the best Legion ever. He was around in the
80's.

There's a reason that

Post by v***@gmail.com
the MAJORITY of comics have fewer main characters. The trade format
might be better suited to it and I think the trades they've put out
are much easier to read and follow than the singles,and I think a
culling is definitely in order. Seriously, how important is Bob with
the power of making origami cranes?

Not at all, which is why Lightning Lad threw potential candidates like
that out. The original Legion had try-outs all the time in which people
with useless powers, or those who lacked control, would show up. They
didn't make it onto the team.

Legion: Lost was a pretty

Post by v***@gmail.com
enjoyable read, and I think a big part of that was the brevity of the
cast involved. you can actually care about the characters because
you're actually having time devoted to each character.

Legion: Lost had to do with the writers. The same writers continued on
to LEGION and did just as well with a larger cast.