Legion of Three Worlds (was Re: JSA #6 Preview: Why Didn't Geoff Johns Write All Of It? (Spoilers)

Post by Duggy
Also, during the reboot there were a couple of parallel
Legions, one, at least, implied to be the Earth-2 Legion.

In fact it seems to me that way back when, in an interview
Perez said that one little panel of heroic figures in the
future looking at the red skies was actually the E2 Legion,
back in COIE.

Hal Shipman

2007-05-28 15:33:03 UTC

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. The fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious. And the current title seems to be on the verge of
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

Post by Duggy
If there is an Earth-1 analogue that isn't New Earth, then that'd have
to be Pre-Boot.
Which leaves the reboot... in terms of time and place, Earth-8 makes
sense, but was there an Earth-8 Superman, etc...
Also, during the reboot there were a couple of parallel Legions, one,
at least, implied to be the Earth-2 Legion.

Where was this implied? If anything, we were told for years in letter
columns that there explicitly no Earth-2 Legion. Which does make it
an easy target for fanboy writers, but AFAIK, no one has even implied
that yet.

Hal.

I don't wear no Stetson
But I'm willing to bet, son
That I'm as big a Texan as you are
- Robert Earl Keen, "Amarillo Highway"

Tony

2007-05-29 00:05:41 UTC

I assume that that "Legion of Three Worlds" adventure is what will
resolve the multiple Legion issue. �(Probably by putting different
Legions on different Earths.) �Presumably the division will be
roughly preboot/postboot/threeboot (or, less likely, pre-v4, TMK,
threeboot), with enough wiggle room that future writers can massage
the continuity to suit themselves.

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. �The fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious. �And the current title seems to be on the verge of
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current DCU's
future.

Tony

Hal Shipman

2007-05-29 00:15:43 UTC

I assume that that "Legion of Three Worlds" adventure is what will
resolve the multiple Legion issue. (Probably by putting different
Legions on different Earths.) resumably the division will be
roughly preboot/postboot/threeboot (or, less likely, pre-v4, TMK,
threeboot), with enough wiggle room that future writers can massage
the continuity to suit themselves.

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. he fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious.

nd the current title seems to be on the verge of

Post by Hal Shipman
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current DCU's
future.

And I'm sure that was the intent, but it hasn't been a sucessful
venture, there really isn't much motivation for DC to stick to that.
It's been over a year since the end of IC, so things could easily
change, now that they have this narrative opening.

On the other hand, they are the version that we see on an upcoming
issue of the Brave and the Bold. So...

I'm just saying that it's not as much a slam dunk as it was a year
ago.

Hal.

I don't wear no Stetson
But I'm willing to bet, son
That I'm as big a Texan as you are
- Robert Earl Keen, "Amarillo Highway"

Tony

2007-05-29 03:57:41 UTC

I assume that that "Legion of Three Worlds" adventure is what will
resolve the multiple Legion issue. (Probably by putting different
Legions on different Earths.) �resumably the division will be
roughly preboot/postboot/threeboot (or, less likely, pre-v4, TMK,
threeboot), with enough wiggle room that future writers can massage
the continuity to suit themselves.

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. �he fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious.

nd the current title seems to be on the verge of

Post by Hal Shipman
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current DCU's
future.

--yeah, but the Fatal Five appears to be the first version of that
team. It appears even B&B is going to be dealing with multiple future
timelines. So having the current version of the LSH appear there
doesn't provide much support for them being the New Earth's future
LSH.

Tony (who wishes we had the Legion Lost team back)

Michael

2007-05-29 04:29:00 UTC

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. he fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious.

nd the current title seems to be on the verge of

Post by Hal Shipman
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current DCU's
future.

And I'm sure that was the intent, but it hasn't been a sucessful
venture, there really isn't much motivation for DC to stick to that.
It's been over a year since the end of IC, so things could easily
change, now that they have this narrative opening.
On the other hand, they are the version that we see on an upcoming
issue of the Brave and the Bold. So...
I'm just saying that it's not as much a slam dunk as it was a year
ago.

Since the multiverse is back they could just keep switching off between
what the primary DCU's future is.

Michael

Glenn Simpson

2007-05-29 16:57:47 UTC

Post by Michael

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. he fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious.

nd the current title seems to be on the verge of

Post by Hal Shipman
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current DCU's
future.

And I'm sure that was the intent, but it hasn't been a sucessful
venture, there really isn't much motivation for DC to stick to that.
It's been over a year since the end of IC, so things could easily
change, now that they have this narrative opening.
On the other hand, they are the version that we see on an upcoming
issue of the Brave and the Bold. So...
I'm just saying that it's not as much a slam dunk as it was a year
ago.

Since the multiverse is back they could just keep switching off between
what the primary DCU's future is.
Michael- Hide quoted text -
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They could keep doing that even WITHOUT a multiverse.

There shouldn't be one future. There should be tons of them.

Michael

2007-05-29 19:27:46 UTC

Post by Michael

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. he fact that it is the
current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests to that.

With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious.

nd the current title seems to be on the verge of

Post by Hal Shipman
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current DCU's
future.

And I'm sure that was the intent, but it hasn't been a sucessful
venture, there really isn't much motivation for DC to stick to that.
It's been over a year since the end of IC, so things could easily
change, now that they have this narrative opening.
On the other hand, they are the version that we see on an upcoming
issue of the Brave and the Bold. So...
I'm just saying that it's not as much a slam dunk as it was a year
ago.

Since the multiverse is back they could just keep switching off between
what the primary DCU's future is.
Michael- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They could keep doing that even WITHOUT a multiverse.

True.

Post by Glenn Simpson
There shouldn't be one future. There should be tons of them.

Also true.

Michael

Dan McEwen

2007-05-29 20:09:19 UTC

Post by Michael
Since the multiverse is back they could just keep switching off
between what the primary DCU's future is.

They could keep doing that even WITHOUT a multiverse.
There shouldn't be one future. There should be tons of them.

However, there should be only one *past*. If DC could stick to that
idea, things would run smooth.

David Johnston

2007-05-29 20:42:12 UTC

Post by Michael
Since the multiverse is back they could just keep switching off
between what the primary DCU's future is.

They could keep doing that even WITHOUT a multiverse.
There shouldn't be one future. There should be tons of them.

However, there should be only one *past*.

If you are writing or reading Legion, where is your past?

Dan McEwen

2007-05-30 01:36:37 UTC

Post by David Johnston

Post by Michael
Since the multiverse is back they could just keep switching off
between what the primary DCU's future is.

They could keep doing that even WITHOUT a multiverse.
There shouldn't be one future. There should be tons of them.

However, there should be only one *past*.

If you are writing or reading Legion, where is your past?

I was thinking from the now, not the future. IOW, limit the retcons
and, well, maintain continuity as much as possible.

Dan McEwen

2007-05-29 20:07:38 UTC

Post by Hal Shipman
With all that's going on in Countdown, I don't think anything is
obvious. And the current title seems to be on the verge of
cancellation, so it may be "expendable" now.

--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current
DCU's future.

It was at the end of IC, but is it after the 52 universes came into
being?

Duggy

2007-05-30 00:12:24 UTC

Post by Tony
--from what Mark Waid has said following the events of Infinite
Crisis, the current LSH is *indeed* the Legion of the current
DCU's future.

It was at the end of IC, but is it after the 52 universes came into
being?

The 52 universe came into being at the end of IC. OYL most of the
histories of those Earths were changed. But not New Earth.

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Duggy

2007-05-29 09:59:42 UTC

Post by Hal Shipman
Where was this implied? If anything, we were told for years in letter
columns that there explicitly no Earth-2 Legion. Which does make it
an easy target for fanboy writers, but AFAIK, no one has even implied
that yet.

Did you even read the reboot?

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Hal Shipman

2007-05-29 11:45:40 UTC

Did you even read the reboot?

Yep, all of issues, all the way through. What's your point? Which
one was implied to be Earth-2?

Hal.

I don't wear no Stetson
But I'm willing to bet, son
That I'm as big a Texan as you are
- Robert Earl Keen, "Amarillo Highway"

Duggy

2007-05-29 23:56:35 UTC

Did you even read the reboot?

Yep, all of issues, all the way through. What's your point? Which
one was implied to be Earth-2?

Let's say the Legion in L* #54 and pretend that you're too cool to
actually look it up and just take my word for it.

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Hal Shipman

2007-05-30 00:33:26 UTC

Did you even read the reboot?

Yep, all of issues, all the way through. What's your point? Which
one was implied to be Earth-2?

Let's say the Legion in L* #54 and pretend that you're too cool to
actually look it up and just take my word for it.

No need to be hostile. There are a lot of issues and it was a while
back, so it's not unreasonable to ask for a pointer to where this was
implied. This is the first I've heard of it and I was (and am)
genuinely curious.

I'll take a look at it tonight.

Hal.

I don't wear no Stetson
But I'm willing to bet, son
That I'm as big a Texan as you are
- Robert Earl Keen, "Amarillo Highway"

Dan McEwen

2007-05-30 01:37:49 UTC

Post by Hal Shipman
Where was this implied? If anything, we were told for years
in letter columns that there explicitly no Earth-2 Legion.
Which does make it an easy target for fanboy writers, but
AFAIK, no one has even implied that yet.

Did you even read the reboot?

Yep, all of issues, all the way through. What's your point?
Which one was implied to be Earth-2?

Let's say the Legion in L* #54 and pretend that you're too cool to
actually look it up and just take my word for it.

Legionnaires #54 had an Earth-2 Legion? Earth-2 was long gone by
the time that issue was published. Or was in related to the Time
Trapper stuff when a multitude of Legions appeared?

Dennis Snelgrove

2007-06-10 03:54:48 UTC

Post by Duggy
Also, during the reboot there were a couple of parallel Legions, one,
at least, implied to be the Earth-2 Legion.

I've always been interested in what an Earth-2 Legion would look like.
Has there been any unofficial versions ever produced, like fanfic? I
do know about the Time Trapper storyline from 10 years ago; that was
as close to an E-2 Legion that I've ever seen...

Dan McEwen

2007-05-28 16:40:19 UTC

On May 25, 6:55 am, "Michael S. Schiffer"

I assume that that "Legion of Three Worlds" adventure is what
will resolve the multiple Legion issue. (Probably by putting
different Legions on different Earths.) Presumably the division
will be roughly preboot/postboot/threeboot (or, less likely,
pre-v4, TMK, threeboot), with enough wiggle room that future
writers can massage the continuity to suit themselves.

Which belongs where?
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. The fact that it is
the current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests
to that.

Maybe. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't sound to me like S/LSH
has healthy sales. Supergirl was brought in for that reason. Plus,
I thought I read somewhere (and I don't know where - conceivably, I
made this up in my head) that there were no specific plans for what
might happen following Bedard's four issues.

We know the current Supergirl is in the Threeboot Legion, but we
also know that the current Superman was in what appears be the
original Legion. Both Legions are based off of characters from New
Earth in the present.

And should Kamandi and other DC Future Earths be tied in to other
Earths?

I prefer the "anything is possible from now" idea, which makes the
most sense.

Duggy

2007-05-28 21:05:25 UTC

Post by Duggy
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. The fact that it is
the current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis attests
to that.

Maybe. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't sound to me like S/LSH
has healthy sales.

I'm not sure what sales has to do with it.

Threeboot was created by out of the Reboot by Superboy smashing the
wall of reality during prior to Infinite Crisis... So the story chain
says that it is the New Earth future.

Post by Dan McEwen
Supergirl was brought in for that reason.

Yet another connection to New Earth.

Post by Dan McEwen
I thought I read somewhere (and I don't know where - conceivably, I
made this up in my head) that there were no specific plans for what
might happen following Bedard's four issues.

OK.

Post by Dan McEwen
We know the current Supergirl is in the Threeboot Legion, but we
also know that the current Superman was in what appears be the
original Legion. Both Legions are based off of characters from New
Earth in the present.

It appears, to me, to be future versions of Threeboot which grow to be
more like Threeboot.

Post by Duggy
And should Kamandi and other DC Future Earths be tied in to other
Earths?

I prefer the "anything is possible from now" idea, which makes the
most sense.

But future stories are fun.

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Dan McEwen

2007-05-29 20:06:53 UTC

Post by Duggy
Obviously Threeboot is New Earth's Legion. The fact that it is
the current title, and it was created by Infinite Crisis
attests to that.

Maybe. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't sound to me like
S/LSH has healthy sales.

I'm not sure what sales has to do with it.

If it's decided that this version isn't a success, DC might decide
to throw it out. They've done that twice now. (5YL, past a certain
point, was no longer selling well.)

Post by Duggy
Threeboot was created by out of the Reboot by Superboy smashing
the wall of reality during prior to Infinite Crisis... So the
story chain says that it is the New Earth future.

This says nothing. 52 universes have been created since then.
Threeboot Legion could be from any of them.

It appears, to me, to be future versions of Threeboot which grow
to be more like Threeboot.

Have you looked closely at Karate Kid and Star Boy? They look
*tremendously* different between Threeboot and the ones appearing in
JLA/JSA. For starters, they're of different races. (Star Boy is
black in one and white in the other; Karate Kid has a duskier skin
tone [Indian?] in one and is fairly light-skinned in the other.)
There's no way they're the same Legion.

Post by Duggy
And should Kamandi and other DC Future Earths be tied in to
other Earths?

I prefer the "anything is possible from now" idea, which makes
the most sense.

But future stories are fun.

I'm not arguing that by any means. The original Legion is my
all-time favorite team of super-heroes ever.

Duggy

2007-05-29 23:50:44 UTC

Post by Dan McEwen
This says nothing. 52 universes have been created since then.
Threeboot Legion could be from any of them.

52 universe exactly the same. 51/52 copies of New Earth (the one
Threeboot is on) 51/52 universes changed... and New Earth remaining
unchanged.

In story Threeboot is the New Earth LSH. That isn't to say a story
can't change that. The timelost rebooters reappearing and causing a
change, the JLA/JSA storyline reseting things.

But as things stand, now, Threeboot is the actual future of New Earth.

Post by Duggy
It appears, to me, to be future versions of Threeboot which grow
to be more like Threeboot.

[sorry, grow more like Preboot.]

Post by Dan McEwen
Have you looked closely at Karate Kid and Star Boy? They look
*tremendously* different between Threeboot and the ones appearing in
JLA/JSA. For starters, they're of different races. (Star Boy is
black in one and white in the other; Karate Kid has a duskier skin
tone [Indian?] in one and is fairly light-skinned in the other.)
There's no way they're the same Legion.

There are ways.